Comparison of Red Baron II planes to historical planes*

By JG1 Moritz


Aircraft Type Climb Altitude Historical Red Baron II    
  Measured        
German          
Fokker EIII 1000 metres   3 min 48 sec    
Halberstadt DII 1000 metres 3 min 30 sec 3 min 54 sec    
Albatros DII 1000 metres 4 min 50 sec 5 min 3 sec    
Albatros DIII 1000 metres 2 min 30 sec 5 min 19 sec    
Albatros DVa 1000 metres 4 min 20 sec 5 min 35 sec    
Pfalz DIII 1000 metres 3 min 15 sec 3 min 25 sec    
Fokker Dr I 1000 metres 2 min 50 sec 1 min 54 sec    
Fokker DVII (Mercedes) 1000 metres   2 min 11 sec    
Pfalz DXII 1000 metres 3 min 48 sec *    
           
French          
Morane Saulnier N 1000 metres 1 min 55 sec 2 min 54 sec    
Nieuport 11 2000 metres 8 min 30 sec 7 min 8 sec    
Nieuport 17 2000 metres 6 min 50 sec 10 min 2 sec    
Nieuport 24 1000 metres 2 min 40 sec 2 min 39 sec    
SPAD VII 5000 Feet   2 min 33 sec    
SPAD XIII 2000 metres 4 min 40 sec 4 min 6 sec    
Nieuport 28 5000 Feet 4 min 30sec 4 min 4 sec    
           
Climb to 5,000 feet        
British          
Airco DH-2 6,000 Feet 11 min 0 sec 7 min 1 sec    
Sopwith Pup   6 min 25 sec 5 min 40 sec    
Sopwith Triplane 10,000 Feet 11min 15 sec 7 min 42 sec    
Sopwith Camel 6,500 Feet 5 min 30 sec 2 min 59 sec    
SE 5a 10,000 Feet 13 min 15 sec 6 min 15 sec    
Sopwith Snipe 6,500 Feet 4 min 55 sec 3 min 44 sec    
Notes:          
1. Timing of climb began when wheels lifted off. Great sound effects!          
           
2. Pafalz DXII refused to take off. Airspeed guage indicated no acceleration. BUG!          
           
Aircraft Type Historical Red Baron II      
Speed      
German          
Fokker EIII 130 kph 148 kph      
Halberstadt DII 145 kph 183 kph      
Albatros DII 165 kph 156 kph      
Albatros DIII 165 kph 180 kph      
Albatros DVa 170 kph 200 kph      
Pfalz DIII 165 kph 205 kph      
Fokker Dr I 165 kph 190 kph      
Fokker DVII 186.5 kph 204 kph      
Pfalz DXII 170 kph 200 kph      
           
French          
Morane Saulnier N 144 kph 148 kph      
Nieuport 11 167 kph 183 kph      
Nieuport 17 165 kph 170 kph      
Nieuport 24 176 kph 167 kph      
SPAD VII   200 kph      
SPAD XIII 218 kph 210 kph      
Nieuport 28 206 kph 194 kph      
           
Speed          
British          
Airco DH-2 90 mph 98 mph      
Sopwith Pup 105 mph 92 mph      
Sopwith Triplane 113 mph 107 mph      
Sopwith Camel 116 mph 118 mph      
SE 5a 126 mph 115 mph      
Sopwith Snipe 118 mph 128 mph      
           
Readings taken from aircraft's instruments at level full throttle flight.          
           
Aircraft Type Historical Red Baron II      
Roll to Left        
German          
Fokker EIII   10.56 sec      
Halberstadt DII   5.50 sec      
Albatros DII   4.59 sec      
Albatros DIII   4.79 sec      
Albatros DVa   4.46 sec      
Pfalz DIII   4.38 sec      
Fokker Dr I   3.50 sec      
Fokker DVII   2.84 sec      
Pfalz DXII   3.41 sec      
           
French          
Morane Saulnier N   9.28 sec      
Nieuport 11   6.60 sec      
Nieuport 17   5.75 sec      
Nieuport 24   6.04 sec      
SPAD VII   6.56 sec      
SPAD XIII   4.53 sec      
Nieuport 28   4.22 sec      
           
Roll to Left        
British          
Airco DH-2   4.72 sec      
Sopwith Pup   5.60 sec      
Sopwith Triplane   4.37 sec      
Sopwith Camel   3.58 sec      
SE 5a   5.30 sec      
Sopwith Snipe   3.37 sec      
           
Timed complete roll. Some aircraft would have pitch changes in roll. Roll timed based only          
on roll rotation of 360 deg. disregarding pitch.          
Aircraft Type Historical Red Baron II      
Roll to Right        
German          
Fokker EIII   10.41 sec      
Halberstadt DII   9.90 sec      
Albatros DII   4.53 sec      
Albatros DIII   4.65 sec      
Albatros DVa   4.63 sec      
Pfalz DIII   4.18 sec      
Fokker Dr I   4.25 sec      
Fokker DVII   2.78 sec      
Pfalz DXII   3.47 sec      
           
French          
Morane Saulnier N   9.28 sec      
Nieuport 11   7.38 sec      
Nieuport 17   5.57 sec      
Nieuport 24   5.93 sec      
SPAD VII   7.9 sec      
SPAD XIII   4.47 sec      
Nieuport 28   4.97 sec      
           
Roll to Right        
British          
Airco DH-2   4.88 sec      
Sopwith Pup   5.35 sec      
Sopwith Triplane   4.37 sec      
Sopwith Camel   3.19 sec      
SE 5a   5.59 sec      
Sopwith Snipe   2.78 sec.      
Timed complete roll. Some aircraft would have pitch changes in roll. Roll timed based only          
on roll rotation of 360 deg. disregarding pitch.          
The Engines of Red Baron II  
Engine Horsepower RPM's RBII Aircraft Notes  
Clerget type 9B 130 1250 Camel, Sop. Triplane    
Benley Br1 150 1250 Snipe    
Le Rhone 80 1200 N. 11    
Le Rhone type J 120 1200 N. 17, 24, Sop Pup    
Gnome Monsoupape 100 1350 DH 2    
Gnome Monsoupape 160 1350 N. 28    
Oberursel 110 NA Fok EIII, DrI    
Mercedes D. II 120 1400 Halb. DII    
Mercedes D III 160 1400 Alb. DII, Fok DVII    
Mercedes D IIIa 180 1400 Alb. DIII, Va, Pfalz DIII    
Hispano Suiza 180 1600 Spad VII    
Hispano Suiza 220 1600 SPAD XIII, SE5a    
Wolsey Viper 22 1600 SE5a Licensed version of Hisso  
           
source: A History of Aircraft Piston Engines          
Hershel Smith          
           
Note: The first 7 motors are rotaries and as such are 2 stroke engines. Though lower in Horsepower,          
they produced a tremendous amount of torque, giving the aircraft great climb and also the negative effects of torque.          


Last Updated on 12/29/97
By JG1 Moritz
Email: Davidl@CraneAgency.com


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